How My Bagels Triggered The Sexist In Me.

So, finally, I am in a position to share the recipe I’ve been using to make my bagels. More specifically, to reliably make my bagels. The test with any good recipe is its replicability, after all. It has been a long, arduous, labor-intensive, but altogether joyous journey. I’d like to say the best part is eating the bagels, but to be honest, I think the best part is seeing how beautiful they come out of the oven, knowing that I did that!
Is that a joy that other people feel? Do you feel that every time you bake the perfect loaf of bread, the most delectable slice of chocolate cake, the most beautiful bowl of japchae? I confess, my propensity to derive so much pleasure at the mere sight of a perfectly proofed dome of dough is not something I would have predicted for myself back when I was lawyering. Still, I am competitive by nature and, for better or worse, feel loved (and thus self-loved) through achievement. So, I suppose whether it’s winning on summary judgment, crossing the finish line of a marathon, or baking up what my husband calls “your best batch yet!”, it all comes from the same place.
Like anything else, the reward is a function of its cost. The easier it is to produce something, the less meaningful its successful production. Part of the reason the sight of 10 perfectly blistered, risen bagels elates me to such an excessive degree is because I’ve made so many ugly, deflated bagels in the process. Those were so demoralizing—it takes me about 36 to 40 hours to make just 10 bagels, so if they turn out bad, it’s back to the drawing board with another 2 days to see if I can correct my mis-steps. I’m an instant gratification kinda gal, so this has also taught me a lesson in patience.
In filming the video for the bagel recipe, I wanted to capture a photo of a bagel baked after 24 hours, 36 hours, and 48 hours in the fridge. This was tricky, since I would either have to be baking very early in the morning or very late at night for one of these bagels. I decided to go with very early in the morning for the 36-hour proofed bagel. I woke up at 4:30 am, boiled just one bagel, and stuck it in the oven. It came out perfectly—a lovely, tight ring with plenty of height, its glorious amber face covered in freckles.

I pulled it apart on camera to reveal its tender, chewy flesh, and was rewarded with a crackle so pure and splendid so as to rival any sound produced by Bach. I posted the video on my Instagram stories the same way a little kid runs to her best friends to show them some really cool, new trick she’s mastered on her brand new two-wheeler. Hey guys look, look! Look what I can do!!! It was now 5 in the morning and yes, I was exhilarated because that is what a perfect bagel can do when it is the product of months of researching, Reddit-ing, making mistakes, trying new things, buying things called “bagel boards,” writing and rewriting your ingredient ratios, shaping dough at 10:30 at night, waking up at 4:30 in the morning to bake said dough, and eating literally dozens and dozens and dozens of excellent and not-so-excellent rings of bread.
The thing I love about social media is that I can reach literally millions of people who will be just as excited as I am about hunks of dough. They too will understand the joys of bagel perfection, as well as the humiliation of bagel deflation. I’ve received hundreds of comments and requests for this recipe along the way, so many who have encouraged me through the many errors of my trial and error adventure, as well as the simple but effective “drool emoji” 🤤 in my DMs. But that morning, at around 5:15 am, after I shared a video of myself pulling apart a still steaming bagel, I received the following message:
“O sweetie. Get a manicure.”
Even writing those words above brings with it a certain…ugliness. The faint taste of something rancid in my mouth. The fact that this comment came from a woman made it so much worse. I was at once embarrassed, ashamed, painfully self-conscious, a little hurt, and finally angry. It’s the same feeling I would get when I ran over to my mother to show her something so freaking cool I picked up off the ground on my walk home from the bus stop—a strange looking flower, a really smooth rock, a gray feather—and she’d tell me, Your socks are dirty! I told you not to wear those slippers outside.
I didn’t think to check my nails at 4:30 in the morning. I washed my hands as is my habit anytime I’m in the kitchen, but beyond that, I gave zero thought to whether my nails looked “presentable” for a 15 second clip of me enthusiastically digging into my perfect bagel. Indeed, I haven’t gotten a manicure in many months. Partly because I hate how much time it takes out of my day (it’s at least 2 hours if not longer) and partly because I’m in the process of writing my book. My manuscript is due (hard, non-negotiable deadline) in just a few weeks, and manicures make it much harder for me to type. So, in lieu of going to the nail salon, I simply trimmed them myself. Did I bother to shape them and make them look professional? No. Because I don’t care about how they look so much as how many words per minute I can type.
I shouldn’t have to share any of this explanation with anyone. I was not making these bagels to sell on the street. I made them to enjoy at home. I didn’t do a professional photo shoot with my hands and these bagels for my cookbook or even my blog or even this email. I didn’t make the video for my website. I made it as an available for only 24-hours clip of my “in-that-moment-joy” for others to feel.
And yet a fellow woman felt compelled to chastise me for not having perfectly manicured fingernails when doing so.
I think in her own, insensitive way, she was trying to be helpful, in the same way my parents were trying to be helpful right after college when they told me I was too overweight to visit Korea. I’m sure that’s the story she’s told herself. But it wasn’t helpful. It was hurtful, unkind, and dare I say, sexist. Because if my husband had gotten up at 4:30 in the morning to bake the perfect bagel just so that he could show people what it looks like after a 36-hour proof and then shared it, proudly, on his Instagram stories, despite his very BUSTED up piano-playing fingernails (which haven’t seen a manicurist once in his entire living life), not a SINGLE PERSON would have said:
“O sweetie. Get a manicure.”
I know it seems like a small thing; but, whether it’s the mean comment about the cellulite on my legs, the constant “why do you look so tired?” when I don’t wear makeup, or the questions about why my belly jiggles when I run (I’ve received all of these), over a lifetime, these little nudges, pin-pricks, swipes to get you back in line—they add up to something sinister and overwhelming. Because as I said, I didn’t just feel angry. In fact, anger was the final emotion I felt. The first one? Shame. A part of me agreed: how dare I try to make bagels without getting a manicure first?
How effed up is that?
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Since we’re speaking about bagels, one specific “bagel” memory sticks out to me more than any other. This one has nothing to do with bagels I made.
A few years ago, I was on vacation with a group of friends. We rented a couple cabins on the lake and every day, one of us provided breakfast. One morning, someone brought in a platter of bagels. My friend had brought her kids with her and her middle daughter, who was not even 9 years old yet, picked out a bagel and told her mom, I’m going to have a bagel for breakfast because I don’t want to get fat. Without missing a beat, her mother replied, That bagel will make you fatter than a piece of sausage will.
The instant deflation on the little girl’s face is seared into my brain. Because that entire exchange? It had the feel of something practiced, something worn, something done many many times before. I wanted to yell at her mom, eat 15 bagels right then and there as big “fuck you,” take the girl aside and tell her a million times over that “getting fat” should be the furthest thing from her mind while in a freaking cabin on the lake surrounded by family and friends and kayaks and pontoons. But I didn’t because I felt “it wasn’t my place” to correct her mother in front of everyone. I did, however, spend some quality time with the young girl, made some of my famous Korean twisty donuts the next day for everyone (including her mom), and tried to show her that food isn’t the devil. No, no, the devil resides somewhere else altogether.
But isn’t it strange? Isn’t it scary… how slyly the devil slips in between the cracks and shames us before we even recognize his horns?
I don’t think shame is always a terrible thing. I should be ashamed if I am mean. I should be ashamed if I steal. I should be ashamed if I cheat. But shame is such a potent tool for regulating unwanted behavior, that it has been weaponized by those in power to keep their power. It works like a pyramid scheme, with the overwhelming majority of the wealth being funneled up to the person sitting right at the top, while his minions defraud those beneath him for a fraction of the loot. I think that is what hurt the most. Girl-to-girl, woman-to-woman, I hated that my friend was teaching her daughter to fear food, to fear her own body. I hated that a woman told me to do the same in my DMs.
And I hated that for even one solitary second, I listened to her.

Ok, so before I share the recipe for the bagels I’ve been making non-stop for the past three months, I want to preface it by saying this isn’t my recipe. I’ll link to the recipe I use as my “base” (though I have tweaked it), but if you are at all already familiar with bagel making, then you’ll know that someone claiming to have the “best recipe for bagels” is a little like saying they have the “best recipe for making rice.” Bagels have been made for centuries. There are probably hundreds of thousands of different iterations of bagel-making, so it is statistically unlikely that anyone’s basic bagel recipe is going to be original enough to qualify as proprietary.
I am, by no means, an expert at bagel making. I am, however, really good at explaining complicated things. Sometimes I apply that skill to the law. Sometimes I apply it to kimchi. And today, I am applying it to bagel making. After doing all the research, I’ve tried to explain the process in a way that is easy to follow for the beginner, because, not too long ago, I was also a beginner. Think of it like reading an article on how to DIY your own panel moulding or change a flat tire. There may be a few tricks or “hacks” that seem innovative, but the basic process is universal.

Nor do I have it all figured out. These bagels aren’t perfect. My oven is wonky, and therefore, the ones sitting on the left tend to burn more than those on the right. I want to maximize their height (which I’ve done), but I also would prefer them to have a harder crust. While the shaping is FAR improved, they are still far from uniform, so I know I have lots or practice in my future. But, here’s the thing—these bagels are still the best bagels I’ve ever made in my life and I would stack them, toe-to-toe, with the ones I’ve gotten at the seediest delis in Brooklyn. And thus, what I want you to feel walking away from the blog post is this:
Oh! If she can make them? I can make them too!
Why am I saying all this? Because, as I talk about in my blog post, bagels have a deep cultural significance to many—in much the same way that kimchi does for Korean people. While I did not set out to perfect the “authentic bagel,” I want to share what I’ve learned in a way that respects the stories that have led to our collective enjoyment of this yeasted bread, wherever you are. This is not my recipe for bagels. It is merely a very florid description of the journey I took to arrive at a bagel that tastes as close as possible to the brown, crusty, chewy rings of glory I can usually only find when I’m in New York.
Until now.
And thus, without further ado…
Parting Thoughts
Last week, I had the pleasure of moderating a book chat with my friend, Matt Broussard, over at NowServingLA. Matt just debuted his cookbook, Now We’re Cooking, and it was my job to elicit all the “good info” on the book his fans had already purchased for a ticket to the event. While flipping through it, I saw a photo of a post-it with the following handwritten words:

“My dear grandson, forge your own path. Anything is possible.”
Apparently, it was a note Matt’s grandmother had snuck into his luggage when he left his entire life and family behind in Texas to pursue a dream job in Seattle. He was sitting on the floor of a bedbug infested apartment with only $500 to his name when he discovered this missive from “Grand” buried in some clothes. I joked that I’d had a very different sentiment expressed to me by my own parents when I told them I was going to leave the law to pursue writing and everyone laughed.

When I asked him what it felt like to read that note from his grandmother in the middle of night, alone in a city he didn’t know, with no one but bedbugs for company, he smiled beatifically and said,
“My grandmother always told me I could do anything, be anything. So, even with the bedbugs and sitting on the floor of that apartment, I knew it would all work out. Because Grand said it would.”
I’ve done about 30 book chats for cookbook authors, memoirists, content creators, friends, and A-list celebrities. Very rarely do they say something that gives me pause.
This time, though… I paused.
I stared out at the folks sitting in front of us in the small, black fold-up chairs that NowServing likes to use for these intimate book chats. Then I looked up at the ceiling, because I was afraid I might start to cry in front of them. I was wondering in my head,
Man… how different would I be if I’d had someone say something like that to me, all my life?
Don’t get me wrong—I wasn’t feeling sorry for myself. I’m well aware of all I’ve accomplished in my own life and am grateful for parents who sacrificed more than I can describe in an email to make sure I never wanted for food, clothes, shelter, and a top-notch education. But the fact that they were so against me leaving the law—even after I’d devoted 18 years of my life to that career, had secured a book deal, and saved up a year’s worth of living expenses in case things went south—speaks to how much their fear outweighed their faith.
Matt is fearless and I envied that.
Fear and shame are both powerful motivators—my life is a testament to that. But I wondered while sitting there next to my friend Matt what it would feel like to live, even one day, propelled by joy and faith.
Perhaps the answer lies inside the ring of a perfectly proofed bagel.
Wishing you all the best,
-Joanne











Sorry you got that negative comment, that’s just hurtful. Keep in mind that people who need to put other people down are small, insecure themselves. If it were me, I would block that person, if you can. I have known people like that, and they were always insecure! You do you, and keep up the good work! I don’t do manicures anymore either, for lots of reasons, so welcome to the non-manicure club!
I love reading everything you write. Women can be nasty to other women simply because they focus on ‘looks’ and not enough on ‘content’. The skill we need to not allow comments to upset us, is to ignore with intention. That’s all. Ignore comments and looks with a strong intention. You know who you are, what you bring to the table and your talents. That’s all. Know the you are loved and appreciated by more women than you can imagine❤️
Thank you for demonstrating for us all what it looks like to respond with compassion and GRACE. THIS is how we BUILD community. It might be fun to be fearless, I also see the extreme value in growing up with Korean shame, and becoming a woman who sheds that shame, and shares that shedding with the world, inspiring others to shed theirs too. So from the heart of another Korean vegan- 정말 감사합니다.
Love your recipes, your musings, and your honesty. The bagels look absolutely amazing, however, they are, unfortunately for me and my celiac family, full of gluten. I will let you know if I achieve anything close to a great NY bagel using your recipe and method with my flour mixes. It might take a while, but you have inspired me to persist!
I’m sorry you received that comment. I don’t agree with your rather kind assessment that the woman might have meant well.
I have been bullied by women my entire life. From being called ‘moose’ as a child because I was taller than most girls, to being relentlessly criticised, picked apart and mocked as an adult – much of it based on appearance, although I am not odd or even unattractive, dress and groom myself nicely, am friendly and personable, and have excellent social skills – I do, however, not fit into the general stereotype of what a woman is apparently ‘supposed to’ appear and behave as – too tall, too independent, too nerdy, not fluffy and frilly and helpless without a man, smart, would rather read a serious nonfiction book than spend the day shopping for shoes.
The result is that I have actively avoided female interaction for most of my life. Every time I’ve taken a risk and decided to trust, it’s been just a matter of time until the sneering, mocking, criticism and cruelty start. (My mother did all those things, too – and far worse). It’s devastating to realise others treat one only as a laughable freak/loser, used for others’ entertainment, unable to ever measure up enough to be embraced and befriended.
Thank you for the recipe, I intend to try it, as it looks fantastic.
I’m sorry you were treated this way. I love to read non-fiction too and only shop for birkenstocks and halflingers because I only have to buy them infrequently.
This hurt deep. So deep.
I’ve lived this exact “polite” smackdown endless numbers of times in my own life. At exactly those same moments of joy and achievement.
I’ve always told myself that if I were pretty, smarter, THINNER, these things wouldn’t happen to me.
The fantasy being that escape from harm was just a matter of willpower (and for me, plastic surgery and wigs, because some shit just has to be replaced.)
But here it is, happening to you – a brilliant, smart, gorgeous, accomplished and really skinny woman. With beautiful hands, btw, really beautiful.
In a way, maybe it is a matter of willpower – having the will to step outside of this bullshit and take up space without apology.
Some sad woman wants to take you down, steal your joy like she’s something special? Bye, Felicia. We got real shit to do today. Like eat some damn bagels and be as fat as I wanna be.
Love you, Joanne. Keep being real.
Immediately when I saw the video on insta about this, I felt really angry on your behalf.
That down putting, 6th grade behaviour, just because someone else accomplished something themselves could not?
I am so over that mean girl energy and can’t understand people who feel that *that* was a good use of their time. To ignore the person, the knowledge, the energy, the result, and focus on a detail that is not even relevant.
It could have been relevant – if the video maker shared pictures digging in to food with nails and hands covered in dirt? Even then, there are so many better nicer ways to give (unsolicited) advice or one could just, move on to the next reel.
People commenting like that are just envious. They carry the burden of wanting to be better, wanting to believe “I can do that” and just can’t with others who actually gain results from the work they put in.
Not even once have I even noticed how your nails look. Because everything you put out there, for all of us to enjoy, looks clean and fresh and colourful. All is carefully described both by words and mouthwatering pictures, and in a way that make me believe “I can do that”.. That’s all I need.
Love your work. Thanks for all great inspirational posts.
Least your nails were clean.
You know the saying, think first before you speak. It also think first before you type! That person wasn’t thinking and decided to be catty and post such a ridiculous comment. However, that is the sad reality of social media. It’s open to all including idiots to make comments.
I don’t think any baker has manicured nails when baking or a chef cooking. I could be wrong here.
I find it sad that a woman to bring down another woman and deflated while she is determined and succeed in any assignments or tasks or enjoying life. But also it makes us stronger and more focused to succeed.
I am so happy for you that your bagels turned out so good. They look wonderful to me! The description of eating them and the pop had me smiling and drooling at the same time!
As for the beauty police, kindly do one! Joanne is not in Vogue or Elle. She is not a beauty influencer. Joanne is a brilliant woman who bakes, cooks, a master in story telling and knows the law better than anyone! And one day she will be on the front cover of a fashion magazine or any kind of magazine. With her unmanicured hands being proudly display on the cover!
Mx
I just think it’s so interesting how comfortable this lady (who was most likely white) felt throwing out “oh sweetie” to a well-educated, successful, and decorated cook/former lawyer who just so happens to be a woman of color. Verrrry interesting.
I’m assuming social media has rotted her brain to the point she unironically expects women to look camera-ready at all times and hasn’t done the self-work of picking apart why it’s expected for women to put on makeup, get their hair and nails done, and keep smiling even at 4 in the morning while their job is say…working with heavy machinery.
Let’s use our brains here, lady. Anyway I made your greek yogurt bagel with the wash and I think I accidentally created the most delicious bagels I have ever eaten. My new breakfast hyperfixation is here and it is gluten-free!!
Just here to say “Amen.” Way to clap back, Joanne. So important to respond, angrily, as/if need be. This is how we grow to be more loving of each other sometimes. Set the record straight, share what your experience was like of receiving that comment, and how wrong it felt. Thanks for taking the time to respond so publicly. You are doing it for all of us… Grateful. And thanks for the bagel recipe, it looks amazing. Love the joy… and that gosh darn perfect bagel;) Thank you!!
The patriarchy strikes again! “Oh sweetie” was just a pretense to sound helpful and well-meaning while tearing down another woman’s accomplishment and sense of joy. I grew up with a mom who was constantly using her hands to paint landscapes, weed the garden, demonstrate science experiments for her students, bake birthday cakes, play the piano, make dinner for our family, knit another blanket or sew another Halloween costume… the list goes on. The woman has never gotten a manicure in her life – not because they are expensive and time-consuming, but because they would inhibit her ability to just do whatever she wants to do. I feel really lucky to have learned from her that what my hands create is much more important than the way they look. (No judgment for manicured hands. But there shouldn’t be judgment for non-manicured hands either.) I would feel sorry for that sad commenter if she hadn’t insulted one of my favorite creators. So congrats on your amazing bagels! I can’t wait to try the recipe!!!
I would never have noticed your nails. They weren’t the focus. So long as they’re clean, who the hell cares!
I remember going on a run with my dad in high school (during a period of my life where I was trying to figure out how to be feminine in a 6 foot viking raider body), and my dad made a comment that turned everything on its head for me. That comment?
“Women have bought into the idea that they need to wear makeup and be perfect to be beautiful. They bit hook, line, and sinker. I think you and your mom and both more beautiful without makeup”
That was the first time I realized I could challenge the absolutely ridiculous beauty standards I had grown up with. Since that day I stopped wearing makeup(it always made my skin hurt). I’ve been challenged by bosses for that decision. They claim I’m not professional if I’m not wearing makeup. My response?
“If it’s not unprofessional for men, it’s not unprofessional for women.”
Your bagel was beautiful and I look forward to trying it out myself. What do you think about adding rosemary and thyme to it?
Please, please, please do not listen to the flippant, ill-thought out comment of one stranger hiding behind a post. You are amazing and have achieved more in your life than most of us will! Please keep the amazing recipes (and stories!) coming. (And your nails in the pictures above look much better than my everyday nails!!)
I love you! And your beautiful natural fingernails!!! I love that you’re a badass and don’t take shit from anyone!! Call them out!! I’m cheering for you! Woot! You’re gorgeous and even if you’re not you are loved!!! You are RIGHT! And righteous! And so so sooo refreshingly smart!! Please let go of shame. You are a beautiful soul. Accomplished, passionate, full of integrity and energy! Such a rare special gem.
I am so grateful for your courageous vulnerability! It’s soul food. A mirror. A lesson. You are wise and clever and educated! I could go on…
You are so appreciated. Can’t wait for more of your books. F*** manicures. They are bad for the environment anyway! And chip off and get in good and make the nails weak and cover up dirt that would otherwise be cleaned. And I agree that comment was totally sexist and patronizing! As if ANYONE can possibly compare to the greatness of YOU! Ha! You are really really special.
So much love and admiration for you!
Please keep educating me on law. I crave it.
“…chip off and get into food…” arg autocorrect!
I think that woman *might* be a little envious. I really loved the crunchy bagel video.. nobody needs a manicure.. ever. I NEED my bagels to look like yours and for poetry to flow as I speak and write.. like you.. ahhh wouldn’t this world be so sweet if sometimes we didn’t snack at strangers on the Internet? yes. yes it would.
I 🩷 You ✨️🥯
I meant SNARK, not snack. bloody auto correct.